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Braxton Critcher [00:00:05]:
Quick question for you, Ryan.

Ryan McKinnon [00:00:07]:
Yes, sir?

Braxton Critcher [00:00:08]:
How many Christmas movies you watched so far this year?

Ryan McKinnon [00:00:11]:
Oh, man. Watch Christmas Vacation over Thanksgiving and I think that's actually it.

Braxton Critcher [00:00:21]:
Really?

Ryan McKinnon [00:00:22]:
Yeah. That's a stable. I'll probably watch some more in the next week or so. Get together with family and just chill out.

Braxton Critcher [00:00:29]:
Is that your favorite?

Ryan McKinnon [00:00:30]:
Yeah, I'd say Christmas Vacation's my favorite.

Braxton Critcher [00:00:33]:
It's a classic.

Ryan McKinnon [00:00:34]:
It's a good.

Braxton Critcher [00:00:34]:
It's a classic. It seems like all the ones that I like to watch, I remember them being good, but then I watch them again and I'm like, man, that is so good. Christmas Vacation is one of those. I love Christmas with the Cranks. That's. That's a funny one. Yeah, I like. Have you ever watched the Twas, the night before Christmas, 1974?

Ryan McKinnon [00:00:59]:
No.

Braxton Critcher [00:01:00]:
Okay, so it's not a super popular Christmas cartoon. It's like 24 minutes long. You should look it up. You can stream it online for free. But I think the soundtrack in that cartoon is so good. It's about mice. Because in the poem or the book, Twas the night before Christmas, they talk about not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.

Ryan McKinnon [00:01:31]:
Right.

Braxton Critcher [00:01:31]:
Yeah. Well, so they kind of incorporate mice into the story about Santa Claus coming to town. And a letter that a mouse wrote pissed off Santa. He's not coming to town anymore. And so they have to rectify the relationship.

Ryan McKinnon [00:01:49]:
Right.

Braxton Critcher [00:01:49]:
So it's good. I mean, you should look it up. It's not a super well known Christmas classic cartoon, but it's one of my favorites. And the soundtrack is spot on.

Ryan McKinnon [00:01:59]:
Yeah. 70s Christmas music sung by mice.

Braxton Critcher [00:02:02]:
Yes. Yeah. It's exactly what we need this time of year.

Ryan McKinnon [00:02:08]:
Yeah. That's awesome.

Braxton Critcher [00:02:10]:
Well, thanks for coming on, man. Ryan McKinnon is our guest today. And so, you know, this time of year, there's a lot happening outside of the automotive industry that I think it sometimes distracts from. What's happening in auto repair, what's happening in the EV market, what's happening with. I mean, even. Okay, we had an election just over a month ago, and with all of the holiday stuff, it's kind of over our heads. It's forgotten about for a moment, which is nice. You get a little bit of a break mentally from all that stuff.

Braxton Critcher [00:02:45]:
But you still gotta keep up with things because as soon as Christmas is over, the New Year's here and things get rolling, you know, the. The new administration is going to be in before we know it. Things are going to be signed and changed and all this stuff. And so trying to forecast what may happen is important. And that's why I'm, I'm glad that you're here, Ryan, to sort of make sense of some of this stuff with EVs, the NEVI program and all that. So what, what's the latest? Where are we at? What, what is your anticipation of what's going to happen when the Trump administration is in office and how that looks for EVs next year?

Ryan McKinnon [00:03:30]:
Sure. So I guess the, the general consensus among folks, and this is not inside information, this is kind of just what, what everyone's, everyone's thinking is that Biden, like DVDs, Trump's not so keen on them. That's sort of the shorthand perception, I think. And so because of that, a lot of folks are worried about what will happen if Trump steps into office and undoes some of the policies that might be perceived as being EV friendly that Biden had. And there's legitimate analysis to be done there. There are consequences for changes in administration. I think my general message, which we were talking about earlier, would kind of be that so much of this stuff that impacts whether or not your town, businesses in your town put in EV charging stations is done on a state level. These are policies that are enacted by your state lawmakers, decisions made by the state regulatory bodies.

Ryan McKinnon [00:04:30]:
You know, your public utility commissions, your state corporation commissions, those are the agencies that have the biggest impact and most direct impact on things like getting EV charging stations out there. And so while there's definitely going to be some changes on the federal level and things that do affect sort of the national conversation about EVs, my message to people is always pay attention to what's happening on the state level. Because if you really care about getting EV charging stations out there, or if you're an EV enthusiast and you're worried about the lack of charging stations, or if you don't like EVs and you don't want to see any of your money going to, you know, involuntarily going to help build this, this network of charging stations. Again, that's stuff that happens on the state level for the most part. So that's where you really want to be paying attention.

Braxton Critcher [00:05:15]:
What about the $7,500 tax credit?

Ryan McKinnon [00:05:19]:
So that's something that I believe Reuters reported earlier in November that Trump was probably going to be consider eliminating that. And we all know that Elon Musk has been a close ally of Trump, and Musk has obviously owns Tesla, but he's expressed support for that as well. So that's something that could definitely impact the sale of EVs, which we saw slow last year. Even with that tax credit in place, taking that away could definitely impact the.

Braxton Critcher [00:05:51]:
Sale of EVs negatively.

Ryan McKinnon [00:05:56]:
Probably, yeah. I mean, but I think ultimately what all of us who are involved in this space want to see is whether you're talking about the sale of EVs or whether you're talking about businesses building EV charging stations is to get to that point where it's not reliant on government subsidies and grants, tax credits and things like that. And so there's different ways to look at the elimination of a $7,500 tax credit. But at the end of the day, and my expertise and our area focuses on EV charging, it's not so much on EV sales, but with EV charging, what we want to see is a marketplace that is not dependent on outside support. Want to stand on our own, want to be competitive, want to grow organically. And so sometimes that means, you know, cutting off the government support that maybe helped you get to a certain place. And so we don't, we don't stand up and scream when that happens. We don't bang our fists on the table calling for, for more money or for calling it, for it to end.

Ryan McKinnon [00:07:02]:
We will take advantage of the opportunities we have. But ultimately we want to see a marketplace that, you know, can stay on its own.

Braxton Critcher [00:07:09]:
It's kind of like moving out of mom and dad's house a little bit.

Ryan McKinnon [00:07:13]:
Yeah.

Braxton Critcher [00:07:13]:
At some point it's got to happen. And most of the time when it does, you're not fully ready financially. But sometimes you gotta take that hit. Learn how to grow on your own, make a living for yourself, and usually it turns out better for you.

Ryan McKinnon [00:07:31]:
It's just a great analogy.

Braxton Critcher [00:07:34]:
Yeah, thank you.

Ryan McKinnon [00:07:35]:
Yeah.

Braxton Critcher [00:07:35]:
Just came up with that boom, light bulb.

Ryan McKinnon [00:07:38]:
Well, I mean, because honestly, in the EV charging marketplace, it's a little bit of a weird dynamic because with the Biden administration, there has been a strong level of federal support for EV charging. So the Biden administration signed into law the NEVI program, the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Program, with the goal to get thousands and thousands of EV charging stations all over America, situated right alongside the highway with high speed EV chargers. With the idea being that sort of if you build it, they will come. If we have those in place, more and more people will feel comfortable buying EVs. It'll be sort of, it'll model itself after the gas station model where, you know, when you're driving your internal combustion engine car, you're never worried about AM I going to run out of gas and not have access to a gas station. So there was a lot of public support for it. And our coalition Charge Ahead Partnership has a lot of gas stations as members. And, and our members benefited significantly from the NEVI program.

Ryan McKinnon [00:08:41]:
A lot of them were able to apply for grants and get a large chunk of money from the government to help offset the cost of building and installing an EV charging station. So that program was helpful. That program did raise the profile of the need for a nationwide network of EV charging stations. But at the same time, it's not like our members looked at that as being the only way they could survive or the only way they could get into the marketplace. They looked at it as an opportunity and they took advantage of it where they could. But the NEVI program itself has been really slowly deployed. You probably heard about it during the election cycle. I mean, I think Trump talked about it during the Republican National Convention.

Ryan McKinnon [00:09:22]:
He relatively inaccurately stated they spent, I think he said they spent $9 billion on charging stations, which, it's kind of an exaggeration. But his point stands that they spent a ton of money and they've only at this point deployed. I don't have the exact number in front of me, but it's less than 200 EV charges.

Braxton Critcher [00:09:43]:
Well, you and I talked about that last time.

Ryan McKinnon [00:09:45]:
Yeah, that's right. So it's been a poster child for a slow government program. Even in California, where they love EVs and you know, it's a very EV friendly state and there's a ton of EVs and they need EV charging stations. They still don't have a NEVI station built.

Braxton Critcher [00:10:05]:
Right.

Ryan McKinnon [00:10:05]:
So this is a program that Trump has said he wants to claw back the money from all the money that hasn't already been allocated. He wants to bring that back and cut off the funding for that. And again, that's not something our members are looking at as a catastrophic loss for their marketplace, because relatively speaking, I mean, it was a, a fine idea. But that program is not going to fund a nationwide EV charging network. I mean, you think about how much it costs to build one EV charging station, giving each state, you know, 30 million, $50 million, whatever, each state got different amounts. To build charging stations is only going to go so far. And like I was saying, this needs to become a marketplace that can stand on its own and isn't dependent on these government grants in order to survive.

Braxton Critcher [00:10:50]:
How. Okay, I wasn't aware that the Trump administration was considering taking back the money that's not been used.

Ryan McKinnon [00:10:58]:
So it's a little complicated. So basically the program, each state had to submit a plan that was approved by the federal government. And then each January, the Federal Highway Association Administration, sorry, Federal Highway Administration goes in and approves that fiscal year's plan. And so they typically do that in January. So if they do that before Trump takes office, then there would be the first three years of money would have been approved. So that money basically is sent out to the states and those states have that money. That money can't get pulled back. Cause that's already in the states, even if the states haven't used it.

Ryan McKinnon [00:11:32]:
Cause there's states like Florida that have basically all but said, hey, we're not going to give this out. Florida still hasn't issued an RFP for anyone who wants that money. They're just sitting on it. So that money has been dispersed and that can go towards building EV charging stations. However, it's a five year plan. And so there was two years that still have not been allocated. So I think when Trump is talking about clawing back unused funds, that is the money that would be most susceptible.

Braxton Critcher [00:12:00]:
Yeah. So there's been a lot of news around EVs, EV charging this year. And there was a lot of steam and excitement for EVs going into the year. But the market, the charging stations just have not improved and grown the way that they needed to for a lot of reasons. And, but there was even this year, didn't the California put out a mandate that it's since been retracted, that by 2035 all, all cars made within the state were supposed to be evs, something like that. Did you read into that?

Ryan McKinnon [00:12:52]:
Cars?

Braxton Critcher [00:12:53]:
Yeah, but that's been, that's been rescinded. And I, this is my opinion, I think before EVs really need to, to grow and be a large percentage of the cars being made. I think there's got to be more chargers. You know, I mean, if suddenly all of a sudden we had all these EVs getting produced and people purchasing these EVs and that market was growing, the charging system as it stands now could not manage that.

Ryan McKinnon [00:13:26]:
Right. And something that a lot of folks don't get is because they'll look at, you know, they'll see the news nationally about how there are these, you know, grant programs like NEVI to give businesses money that want to put in EV charging stations. And they'll see even if EV sales aren't what they were projected to be, they're still growing every year there's still more and more people buying EVs each year than did the year before. So it's still a growing marketplace.

Braxton Critcher [00:13:49]:
Right.

Ryan McKinnon [00:13:50]:
And so people will wonder, well, you know, maybe people just don't like EVs or maybe gas stations feel threatened by them and so they don't want to offer EV charging. The truth is, is that businesses like gas stations or convenience stores or grocery stores or existing retailers are ideally suited to offer EV charging. They have the locations, they're in the prime spots. But many of them aren't going to do that because of state energy policy problems that are, that are in states all across the country. Red states, blue states. In most states, there's not a rate structure for selling the electricity that's used to charge EVs.

Braxton Critcher [00:14:29]:
Yeah.

Ryan McKinnon [00:14:30]:
That means that if you're an entrepreneur and you buy an EV charging station, you want to sell electricity to customers, you're subject to antiquated rates that were established way before EVs existed that are going to land you with a gigantic power bill at the end of the month if you try to sell that electricity.

Braxton Critcher [00:14:46]:
So that needs to be fixed first.

Ryan McKinnon [00:14:48]:
That's something that retailers and entrepreneurs and businesses across the country have been pounding on the table about saying, we need a rate structure that makes sense for selling this product if you want us to be able to sell this product. And you see the, the effect of those bad policies all over the country where so many, so many states, EV charging markets are being propped up by grant funded chargers, by tax rebate programs. Basically someone's like, well, there's no real way to make money in this marketplace. So the only way I can do it is if I get a charger for free. And then I don't really have a big incentive to maintain it or to make sure that it's in the best location. And so what you see all over the country is government subsidized chargers or public utility subsidized chargers being put in weird locations. Nobody use them. Then they break.

Ryan McKinnon [00:15:42]:
You just saw this in Maryland. Maryland had a five year program where they gave, they allowed the electric utilities to use ratepayer funds to build a huge network of charging stations. Nobody used them, tons of them broke and they just ended the program this year. And so that's just an example of what's happening all over the country where there's these businesses that want to offer EV charging. And we keep talking about we need more EV chargers. You know, we won't have the EVs we need until we have the charging stations. The reason people aren't building charging stations is because there's no rate structure that they can depend on. Where they know, like if you're selling gas, you know, hey, I bought it for this much per gallon, I'm able to sell it for this much per gallon.

Ryan McKinnon [00:16:21]:
These are my costs. This is my markup. Right. You know how much you can, you can reasonably project what your profit will be. That's what businesses need if they're going to get into the space. But with EV charging, there's no way to reasonably predict what your profit is going to be because so many of the charging rate structures are, like I said, they predate EV charging and they leave retailers with a gigantic power bill at the end of the month.

Braxton Critcher [00:16:44]:
Do you think the Trump administration cares about that?

Ryan McKinnon [00:16:50]:
Sure. Yeah. I mean, I think it's, it's a, it's a business problem.

Braxton Critcher [00:16:54]:
You think that's something that they'll try to, I mean, I'm not sure where it would be on the priority list, but something they would try to work on to get something so that, that can get started.

Ryan McKinnon [00:17:04]:
That's something that needs to be done on a state by state level. That's really what the state regulatory. Right, the, the bodies that oversee the public utilities.

Braxton Critcher [00:17:13]:
Yeah.

Ryan McKinnon [00:17:14]:
That's something that they need to fix. There's no real federal fix to that.

Braxton Critcher [00:17:19]:
So what, what does someone listening or watching do? Write the representative. How can they help move this process to where the states move it up their priority list?

Ryan McKinnon [00:17:32]:
Sure. So if you're listening to this and if this is resonating with you, I guess, and I'm not just trying to promote our organization, but I'm part of Charge Ahead partnership. And we literally like what we do is we keep folks engaged because every state is different. So you might live in Georgia and have an issue, or you live in Maine, you have an issue, it's not going to be the same answer. So organization, Charge Ahead partnership is a good way for you to get engaged in that and learn about what's going on in your state and how you can advocate for policies that make sense. Speaking broadly, what folks can do is talk to your lawmakers, especially those who are involved in energy policy, and encourage them to pass legislation that would require the state regulatory body to enact rate structures that work for EV charging. That looks slightly different in every state, but, and I don't. And I can just sort of try to sum it up for you here quickly.

Ryan McKinnon [00:18:30]:
A lot of states, the power companies, they will apply demand charges to folks who are selling EV charging. And so a demand charge is Based on how much electricity you're using at any given point during a billing cycle. And so it's typically something like $8 per kilowatt hour. So if you have a, let's say you have four 150 kilowatts chargers at your location and four people pull in and use them at once, that's 600 kilowatts of power being pulled. If you have a $7 per unit fee on that, that's $4,200 right there. Just for folks. Just for four people using your chargers at once. So that's just a really quick oversimplified example of how unpredictable it can be to sell this product because you could get unlucky.

Ryan McKinnon [00:19:18]:
Have four people use your chargers at once, it spikes your usage. And that's a $4,000 bill right there on your power bill.

Braxton Critcher [00:19:24]:
Man.

Ryan McKinnon [00:19:24]:
There's no way you charge those four customers enough to cover that.

Braxton Critcher [00:19:27]:
No, no.

Ryan McKinnon [00:19:28]:
$1,000 each. So, and again, I'm kind of butchering this. It's a really complicated topic, which is why it's kind of tough to get people involved. So I'm simplifying as much as possible. But yeah, essentially that's the problem in a nutshell is that it's these antiquated rate structures that were developed before EV charging existed and make it really tough for anyone to predict what their profit is going to be or turn a profit.

Braxton Critcher [00:19:51]:
So selling this product and just like every new technology, new system that has to go through approvals and government oversight, it takes a while. So I mean, even though that's a huge need, it, you know, it could fall down the pecking order a little bit. And so let's say, let's say there is a structure for these rates that, that is made within the next year or two, then you can start to build, then it becomes profitable for EV charging stations, whoever decides to do that. I mean, we're probably talking about, you know, a decade here between the moment we're talking now and when the market can actually sustain more EVs on the road. Is that, I mean, could that happen sooner or is that like a good ballpark? I mean.

Ryan McKinnon [00:20:51]:
Yeah, I have no idea. I mean, I think it's, it's an interesting problem because like we talked about, it's a state level issue. And so you're going to have some states that might have very forward thinking rate structures and make a friendly business environment. And so you see a lot of EV charging stations pop up in those states. But for this particular, for high speed charging, you're really trying to serve the long distance traveler. You know, someone who's driving on the interstate. It's not really for in town charging at this point just because most people who are driving around town will plug in when they get home. Yeah.

Ryan McKinnon [00:21:26]:
So high speed charging is targeting the long distance traveler. Let's say, you know, Georgia just passed some really positive legislation the past couple years that make it a much more business friendly environment for folks who want to offer EV charging. But if the state's around them, Florida does not. And so it's tough for businesses in Georgia to invest in EV charging stations that are going to be along the interstate because they know so much of the traffic going through online long distance travels, you know, is up and down. True, 95 is headed to Florida. So that's just a kind of simple example of. And maybe it's 85 that goes to Georgia. But regardless, you know, these interstate, they're dependent on the long distance travelers.

Braxton Critcher [00:22:11]:
And.

Ryan McKinnon [00:22:14]:
So you want to see lots of states in an area develop these policies that are welcoming to EV charging. And that's when you really start to see the needle move on investment.

Braxton Critcher [00:22:25]:
So I mean it's, it's going to just take them working together. Really.

Ryan McKinnon [00:22:29]:
Yeah, I mean I think it's raised, it's essentially it's raising awareness about the need. It's, it's saying, hey, we're trying to address. We got root level issues, we got deep, deep issues that we got to fix first before we start. Just keep giving everyone money for charging stations or allow the utilities to build charging stations. We need to fix these fundamental business problems with the marketplace on a state by state level in order to spur the growth that we're talking about. It's not going to be fixed by, you know, one president coming in and giving billions of dollars charging stations, the next one taking away, you know, like that's all distraction. What we really need to focus on is these, these fundamental business issues.

Braxton Critcher [00:23:06]:
Yeah. And you know, okay, so a lot of folks still believe 100% in ice. They, they, they, they and ice, you know, doing well and will for a while and, and so a lot of the people in that area are just totally against EVs and that may damage and slow down the process some too. So give me your perspective on EVs, how they can work together with ICE vehicles and. Because it almost seems like two sides, like two different teams and they're pulling against each other sometimes. But I believe just like you're talking about with states that need to work together to move this Forward. I think the automotive industry as a whole, even repair, could work together a little more because if one thing gets better because they are connected, I think that improves the other side. And I don't think we really get that.

Braxton Critcher [00:24:07]:
So what's your perspective on that? Am I right?

Ryan McKinnon [00:24:11]:
Yeah. And I think gas stations are a good kind of microcosm of what working together looks like, where a lot of our members are gas stations. And sometimes we get people who assume that they hate EVs because their business is selling gas, which is a fair assumption to make. But the truth is that gas stations see EVs as a great opportunity. They see them like, hey, everyone that buys an EV is a potential loss customer. So as more and more people buy EVs, I want to get a charging station so I can serve those customers and keep them. Because I know.

Braxton Critcher [00:24:44]:
Serve both.

Ryan McKinnon [00:24:46]:
Exactly. Yeah. They want to be able to. Yeah. They don't. Honestly, we talk to our members and like, people think that we are big oil. We're not big oil. We are fuel agnostic.

Ryan McKinnon [00:24:57]:
We don't care what you power your car with. We just want to sell it to you. I mean, these are, you know, gas stations are businesses. They want to, they want to sell what the customer's buying. I think some of that resentment towards EVs you were talking about is fueled when states do things like what I just described Maryland doing, where they, they raise your grandma's power bill. She's never going to own any of these, probably never even ride any ev. So she's paying more on her monthly power bill so that the power company can build a network of charging stations that they have no incentive to maintain. They don't, they don't lose money if people don't use them.

Ryan McKinnon [00:25:35]:
And so they fall into the disrepair and then five years later, the program's killed. That type of thing makes just your average Joe resent EVs and think this is stupid. My tax dollars are going to this. My power bill is going to this. I don't have an ev, so why am I paying for all this? I don't, I don't think ultimately that's helpful. What we want is a marketplace where folks can invest, where, you know, our members, they're willing to risk their own money. They say, hey, I see 15 Teslas driving down past my station. I want to get a charger so I can serve those people and have them come charge up and then also buy a sandwich at my store and, you know, buy a snack and coffee.

Ryan McKinnon [00:26:13]:
So I think the more free Market toward approach we can get, the less resentment there'll be towards this new technology.

Braxton Critcher [00:26:23]:
So obviously you, your organization, try to raise awareness for this stuff and help advocate for people in the EV sector in the automotive industry to help move things forward. That's fantastic. But when you do your research, when you talk to your folks, like, what's your perspective for the future? 2025 coming up, you know, is there optimism? And tell me, you know, kind of what your view is of the incoming administration and what that may look like. If we were to sit down a year from now, what could we be talking about that changed?

Ryan McKinnon [00:27:03]:
I hate to sound like a broken record because I wish I had some good analysis on, you know, how the entire industry feels about the administration. But like I've been saying, like some states feel great, some states feel less hopeful because this just comes down to the states, I will say the NEVI program, if that goes away, I think some of our members will be disappointed at the loss of opportunity to get that grant funding because it is a big startup cost to put in an EV charging station. But like I said, I don't, we don't feel like that's going to be catastrophic to the marketplace.

Braxton Critcher [00:27:47]:
Right.

Ryan McKinnon [00:27:47]:
That's just kind of like the cherry on top in terms of, I don't know what the right analogy is, but that's just. $7.5 billion is a lot of money, but it's not a lot of money when it comes to building a nationwide network of charging stations.

Braxton Critcher [00:28:00]:
Right.

Ryan McKinnon [00:28:00]:
It's a drop in the bucket.

Braxton Critcher [00:28:02]:
Yeah. Anything else that you think is important to share?

Ryan McKinnon [00:28:10]:
I would encourage folks, if they've watched this long, then they're definitely interested in EV policy or they just enjoy hearing from you. Braxton.

Braxton Critcher [00:28:19]:
Well, it's probably the first one.

Ryan McKinnon [00:28:22]:
So if you are interested in EV charging policy, Charge at Partnership is an advocacy organization. We are working to expand the nation's charging network, really pushing for free market policies that would enable all sorts of folks to get into this market. Our members are all competitors. They're all competing with each other constantly. So we're not trying to, you know, tilt the scales in favor of one group or another. We're really just advocating for a free marketplace where folks can, can stake their money and fail or fly. You know, it really just is up to them. And so like I've been saying, that comes down to getting these state level policies fixed because that's really where the story is.

Ryan McKinnon [00:29:01]:
And it's helpful when folks like you are curious about this and reporters understand it because Way too often we act like the president is, you know, our dad, who's going to fix all our problems and is going to, you know, make EVs everywhere, make EVs go away. And the truth is, is that this is so much more complicated than that.

Braxton Critcher [00:29:19]:
Right. Well, thanks, Ryan. Appreciate it, man.

Ryan McKinnon [00:29:23]:
Thanks, Braxton. Always enjoy coming on.

Braxton Critcher [00:29:26]:
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Braxton Critcher [00:30:15]:
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