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Braxton Critcher [00:00:05]:
Ivan Ryoja. Scott.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:00:09]:
That would be me. That would be me.

Braxton Critcher [00:00:10]:
Is that right?

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:00:11]:
That's. Yeah. If you're. If you're American, Ivan. If you're probably from Yvonne. Yvonne from some other part of the.

Braxton Critcher [00:00:18]:
World, but the rest of the.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:00:20]:
No, but it's all good.

Braxton Critcher [00:00:21]:
Say it. Say it right.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:00:22]:
Ivan Riojascat or Ivan Rio Jascat. Both are good.

Braxton Critcher [00:00:26]:
Rijo. Rio. Scott.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:00:27]:
Rioja. Like the wine region.

Braxton Critcher [00:00:28]:
Rioja.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:00:29]:
Yeah, the Spanish wine region. R, I, O, J, A Rioja. You know, in Spanish, the J sounds like the H in English.

Braxton Critcher [00:00:35]:
Right? I know, I'm terrible, though. Yvonne. See, I should have known that. Yvonne.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:00:40]:
Nah, it's okay. I go by both Ivan.

Braxton Critcher [00:00:42]:
I just go. I go by whatever people. I go by Scott usually, or Brandon or Bryson.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:00:48]:
Yeah, I mean, sometimes I go. Scott's my second last name. So sometimes people call me Scott, you know.

Braxton Critcher [00:00:52]:
Well, my middle name is Scott. That's why I said that.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:00:54]:
Ah, there you go. See?

Braxton Critcher [00:00:55]:
Yeah.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:00:55]:
Sometimes it's easier.

Braxton Critcher [00:00:56]:
I have to do that at Starbucks.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:00:58]:
So do I, Scott.

Braxton Critcher [00:01:00]:
If I say Braxton, it's always Brandon or Bryson.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:01:04]:
Yeah.

Braxton Critcher [00:01:05]:
So I just say Scott. Yeah, it's a lot easier.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:01:07]:
Yeah, I do the same. Or when I'm with my daughter, I just make her say her name. Margaret. All orders in your name.

Braxton Critcher [00:01:13]:
Your daughter's is Margaret? Yes, that's my grandmother's name. Well, that's cool.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:01:17]:
Yeah, for me, it's a family name.

Braxton Critcher [00:01:18]:
You don't hear a lot of Margaret.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:01:19]:
No, no, not at all. It's a family name. Actually. My mother's name is Margaret. And so, yeah, it's for us, it's a family name. And in. My great grandmother from my Spanish side was named Margarita, which is Margaret in Spanish. So it's a very.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:01:32]:
It's strangely enough, a very, very family name for us.

Braxton Critcher [00:01:35]:
And you're from Chicago?

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:01:36]:
I am originally from Spain. Born in Madrid, Spanish, father, American, mother. My mother's side of the family is originally from Colorado, but relocated to Arizona since about the 1940s. So, yeah, very, very spread out. Very different worlds.

Braxton Critcher [00:01:52]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But so you've lived in the U.S. how long?

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:01:57]:
I lived in the U.S. as a kid in Tucson, Arizona for about seven years, and then I moved to. Well, I've lived in different parts of the world for different jobs that I've had. Asia, Africa and then. And of course, Spain. And then I came back to the US in 2010, and I have been in Chicago ever since.

Braxton Critcher [00:02:16]:
So you could do a travel podcast, too?

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:02:18]:
I could do a little bit of A travel. Fortunately, yeah, I can. I mean, work has taken me around the world, so I've been very, very fortunate in that.

Braxton Critcher [00:02:24]:
Yeah. What's your favorite place?

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:02:26]:
My favorite place is Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. It was my first, so to speak, international posting, and it was just back in the year 2008, and it was just such a different world for me. I had never been to Asia before, and the people were so absolutely wonderful. What an interesting country, culturally, socially, religiously, and what a great place and super quality of life.

Braxton Critcher [00:02:52]:
Beautiful, too.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:02:53]:
Fantastically beautiful.

Braxton Critcher [00:02:54]:
Yeah. Yeah.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:02:55]:
So I went back actually in December for the first time since then. So it's been. It was great to go back after so many years.

Braxton Critcher [00:03:02]:
So you would tell me that I.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:03:04]:
Gotta go, everybody has to go to Malaysia. And beauty of it is that you have, you know, a sprawling cosmopolitan city like Kuala Lumpur and then, you know, very close. You can go to Indonesia, you can go to Thailand, you can go to the Malaysian islands, you can go to Bali, Borneo. There's so much to see in Southeast Asia and everything is wonderful.

Braxton Critcher [00:03:21]:
Yeah, it's all really close.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:03:23]:
All close to each other. Yeah.

Braxton Critcher [00:03:24]:
Yeah. So we're in Vegas right now, correct? We're at apex 2024. And this is my first time in Vegas.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:03:33]:
Is it?

Braxton Critcher [00:03:33]:
Yeah.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:03:34]:
Is it?

Braxton Critcher [00:03:35]:
Yeah.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:03:35]:
Oh, interesting. I've. I've actually never come for fun. It's always been for work.

Braxton Critcher [00:03:39]:
Right. You do anything fun this week?

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:03:43]:
I mean, to me, coming to Apex is fun. I am really fun.

Braxton Critcher [00:03:46]:
Podcasting is fun.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:03:47]:
Podcasting is fun and meeting people and being in contact with the industry and learning and so many new products, new companies, new institutions, and a lot of old faces that have new stuff to say. So for me, it's just a wonderful. I just. Sometimes I wish I could cram more into the little time that we have. And then, of course, at the end of the show, I'm always exhausted.

Braxton Critcher [00:04:09]:
So I was in LA two weeks ago. First time in la, too. I loved it. I loved it. I really don't have bad things to say about la, except. Except the traffic. The traffic wasn't terrible, but the road system. I've driven in Atlanta, but LA is so much more complex.

Braxton Critcher [00:04:31]:
I don't know if there's more cars on the road. I wouldn't say that, but Lord have mercy. The complexity of the interstate system there I found myself double checking my directions multiple times right before I get off on an exit because there's multiple interchanges right on top of each other. And so you're like, which one is the right one to Take here.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:04:53]:
It takes some getting used to. Yeah. And it was even back then. It was even like that back in the late 90s when I was young and I used to go from Arizona, we used to go to LA and it was always so much fun. But yeah, I recalled the same thing as you. I don't think that's ever changed.

Braxton Critcher [00:05:08]:
And I've been around some aggressive driving. I'm somewhat of an aggressive driver myself, but I have never seen. And I've seen it on a smaller scale, but I've never seen large scale motorcycles whipping through stopped traffic on the interstate and just risking life. Oh yeah, Risking life left and right from these motorcyclists. I'm like, man, it would. Half an inch. Half an inch and you're not going to be here anymore. Yeah, it was wild.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:05:40]:
I know it is.

Braxton Critcher [00:05:42]:
Yeah. But hey, but Vegas, the traffic on the interstates is not bad. The traffic on the Strip, I couldn't understand why it was taking me so long to go a quarter mile yesterday.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:05:57]:
Yeah.

Braxton Critcher [00:05:58]:
And it does the stoplights just take forever. And F1 is happening here in a couple of weeks.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:06:03]:
So they're prepping for it.

Braxton Critcher [00:06:04]:
They are. And so a lot of the roads are just simply closed or you can't navigate them the way you normally could. So that doesn't help. But yeah, it's cool.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:06:14]:
Well, you're in good shape. You can walk around, you can get pretty much anywhere you need.

Braxton Critcher [00:06:18]:
I'm staying at the Wynn.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:06:19]:
Okay.

Braxton Critcher [00:06:20]:
Which is like a block and a half from the Expo here for Apex.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:06:24]:
All right.

Braxton Critcher [00:06:26]:
But I took a wrong turn, walked through a long building and then wound up having to cross traffic twice. So I'm having to navigate better tomorrow. I am young, I am in good shape. So that's good. But I could have saved about like 1500 steps this morning.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:06:42]:
Yeah, yeah. And especially the time.

Braxton Critcher [00:06:44]:
But yeah, yeah, that's what I started early yesterday. Seven, seven o'clock. Trying to get down here. So I was good.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:06:50]:
Some of us had to start early for the keno breakfast this morning.

Braxton Critcher [00:06:53]:
I know that was early. Really early.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:06:56]:
Yeah. So they started. So they started the KENO Breakfast at 6:30 in the morning. Yeah.

Braxton Critcher [00:07:02]:
When I saw 6:30, I think I assumed PM. Yeah.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:07:06]:
But no, started at 6:30 and they were pretty, you know, pretty good. About an hour breakfast. Pretty good. And then 7:30 was when the speakers started, which was McCarthy and. Oh, I'm terrible for remembering names.

Braxton Critcher [00:07:25]:
The Aaron Andrews.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:07:26]:
No, that was, that was after that.

Braxton Critcher [00:07:27]:
Yeah.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:07:28]:
They did a little intro about, you know, Apex, about the Industry.

Braxton Critcher [00:07:31]:
Oh, yeah, Paul, yeah, Paul McCarthy. Yeah, Paul, yeah, yeah, Paul.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:07:33]:
And well, the name will come to me.

Braxton Critcher [00:07:36]:
Bill. Yeah, Bill Hanvey.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:07:38]:
Bill Hanvey, yes.

Braxton Critcher [00:07:38]:
Yeah, yeah.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:07:39]:
Sorry, I can't remember a name for.

Braxton Critcher [00:07:41]:
Yeah, it's right, it's right.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:07:43]:
But they had some interesting information about the sector and, you know, they just shared like a few snippets about, you know, the growth of the, of EVs and how much EVs break down in comparison to ice cars and so. What?

Braxton Critcher [00:07:56]:
No, what are you talking about?

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:07:57]:
Yeah, no, they shared some U.S. consumer reports. 149% more breakdowns from, from hybrid vehicles versus regular.

Braxton Critcher [00:08:06]:
And fire. And fire. Yeah. So we, which they're working on that and that.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:08:10]:
But that's, you know, that's, that's good for our industry. Right. At least for vehicle repair. It's an excellent news. Right. That means we're still gonna be, you know, more than relevant and plenty of opportunities for growth. They also talked about technician shortage, which is, you know, an industry aspect that's been, that, that's been struggling. And then of course, a little bit towards the, you know, training of technicians for EVs.

Braxton Critcher [00:08:32]:
How was Aaron?

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:08:33]:
So then Aaron came on after that. Aaron with Kathleen Callahan. I have to speak about Kathleen because she is very dear to Ratchet and Wrench. She is a columnist for us and she's just a fantastic all around woman. And she was chosen to interview Erin Andrews. Erin Andrews arrived a little bit late, which, you know, all right, doable. But to be honest, Erin Andrews was fantastic.

Braxton Critcher [00:08:59]:
When you say a little bit late, like, what's a little bit late?

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:09:01]:
No, no, five minutes. Five minutes. Seriously, a little bit late.

Braxton Critcher [00:09:02]:
I hear you.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:09:03]:
So Kathleen had to do a bit of an introduction, but Kathleen Callahan's a rock star and so she's always up for everything that comes her way. But yeah, no, Aaron was great, you know, very. They had a great conversation about, you know, women in male dominated industries, which is kind of interesting, and their path. And Aaron Andrews, you could tell, at least, you know, today she was just on point. Right. She didn't come just to sit, show her face and say hi. Right. She got the people, she got crowd interaction and you know, and, and, and her.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:09:34]:
And, and Kathleen did just, just did an excellent, excellent job today.

Braxton Critcher [00:09:38]:
So Erin Andrews. So I used to take pictures for the Carolina Panthers.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:09:42]:
Okay.

Braxton Critcher [00:09:42]:
And whenever. Thursday Night Football or no, was it Sunday Night Football that Aaron used to work for Fox.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:09:50]:
She's still Fox. She started on espn. Yeah, but that was on college game day thing.

Braxton Critcher [00:09:55]:
Yeah. So what, one of the Night Footballs? Yeah, she. I did it for like four years and so I ran into her a couple of times on the sideline and she was always real nice, but I did not know she was connected to the automotive industry. Is she. Or she's just speaking?

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:10:11]:
She was just speaking. Apparently last year they had Magic Johnson as the keynote speaker. So they're picking up a face and I think that's a good thing, right?

Braxton Critcher [00:10:19]:
I think so.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:10:19]:
It's a good name. I like that they picked a woman because I think that the industry is now starting to cater to more minorities in what's been a traditionally male dominated industry. And I think that's good. And no, she doesn't really have any connection to the automotive industry, but she does now. She's a rock star though. She came on, she was good. And then after that, actually after her and Kathleen had a little interview, if you want to call it an interview, after that she actually moderated a panel with the CEOs and C suite executives from. It was O'Reilly Advanced AutoZone GPC and I struggling to remember the oil company.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:11:06]:
But Ashley from. Oh, if I remember. Yeah. Again, the names.

Braxton Critcher [00:11:10]:
Hey, you got, hey, you got Ashley.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:11:11]:
You got that did good enough. And so yeah, that was. And she was, you know, she was right there. She had a little, she had a little sheet of paper. She kind of handled them pretty well.

Braxton Critcher [00:11:20]:
No, she's a professional.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:11:21]:
Oh yeah. Rock star. So did pretty well.

Braxton Critcher [00:11:23]:
Now what did she talk about in her keynote?

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:11:26]:
Well, she didn't really give the traditional keynote. She had like, you know, she, Kathleen asked her some questions about, you know, her career and how she started off. And she had her. Apparently Ariana's father was an investigative reporter that was on the news at like 5, at 6pm and 11pm every night. Okay. And they moved even though she was born in New England. Then they moved to San Antonio and then ended up in Tampa in Florida. So kind of like her origins in terms of, you know, how she, how she sees that part of the.

Braxton Critcher [00:11:55]:
So she was here for. Inspirational.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:11:57]:
Yeah, I think she's. And again, like I was very surprised. I've been to a lot of these events where the keynote famous person just kind of shows their face and really doesn't want to be. You can tell that they don't want to be in it. And Erin Andrews was just spot on. So congratulations to her and thank you for joining us at apex. Of course.

Braxton Critcher [00:12:17]:
So what right now on your mind is the most important newsworthy item happening in the industry.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:12:28]:
Braxton, that's a tough question. There's a lot.

Braxton Critcher [00:12:30]:
So I was actually going through Ratchet and Wrench this morning through your top news stuff.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:12:35]:
Yeah.

Braxton Critcher [00:12:36]:
And I was, I haven't read into it much yet, but I was looking at the Google business profile for, let me see here. Verification. According to the Associated Press, additional info for licenses and insurance are going to be required for local Google Ads. What do you know about that?

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:13:03]:
Well, I mean, what I know about it is not so much on the technical side or what's going to happen, but I do know that a lot of shops and a lot of shop owners that are mainly our readers rely on Google for Google AdWords for, you know, gaining new customers or being known in their area. And so anything that Google changes in respect to how people can find them can be something that will directly affect their business. And that's something that, you know, a lot of. Unfortunately, a lot of these shop owners, and I don't never want to be one that generalizes, but a lot of these shop owners are not super tech savvy. We had a case study last month in the magazine about, about a little shop that, that eventually hired outside help to help with Google AdWords and their results were exponential.

Braxton Critcher [00:13:53]:
You kind of need to have to do that nowadays.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:13:55]:
Yeah, you kind of do.

Braxton Critcher [00:13:56]:
Google is a whole different animal and you just don't have time as a shop owner to focus on it.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:14:00]:
Exactly. But a lot of them still do. They'll do a little investment in Google by themselves and try to play around with keywords and stuff like that. But a lot of times that's not giving them the result. And on top of that, if we have Google changing up the system a little bit, it might directly affect their business.

Braxton Critcher [00:14:18]:
Yeah. And this was for local service ads. So if you want to do a local service ad on Google, you have to now be verified. This is happening November 21st.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:14:27]:
Yes.

Braxton Critcher [00:14:28]:
Okay.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:14:29]:
Yeah.

Braxton Critcher [00:14:30]:
What does it take to be verified?

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:14:31]:
Do you know that I'm not sure exactly what it takes.

Braxton Critcher [00:14:34]:
Have to look into it.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:14:34]:
We'll have to look into it and I'm sure we'll update that piece of content. That was something that we picked up.

Braxton Critcher [00:14:39]:
It actually, it says here verification involves claiming the business address and confirming it via phone, text, email or video. So it's not, it's like a one, two step process, but you just have to do it by November 21st, essentially.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:14:54]:
Yeah. And.

Braxton Critcher [00:14:54]:
Okay.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:14:55]:
And you have to do it which is the.

Braxton Critcher [00:14:56]:
Yeah, yeah, right, right. If you want to do local service ads, you've got to be verified, especially.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:15:00]:
If you don't know that you need to do it, which is, I think the main issue is understanding that you need to do it and then just doing it is the simpler part. Right?

Braxton Critcher [00:15:06]:
Yeah, yeah. What else? Let's bounce around the industry. What, what else?

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:15:11]:
So one of the, one of the things that we've been, we've been talking about a lot and that's, that's out there is what's the reality of EVs, how much do shops need to adjust and adapt to that part of the market becoming more relevant and percentage wise, becoming bigger and more important in the car count and what the industry needs to do. In terms of training, which we see here at Apex, lots of Joe's Garage has a bunch of sessions about everything EV related, which I think is fantastic and not necessary. When I say ev, I don't only refer to pure ev, it's also hybrid technology and everything kind of in between. Right. Because you know, a lot of the people in the industry are talking about hybrids. Right? Yeah. Being the way forward. Not for EVs, because of the infrastructure.

Braxton Critcher [00:15:59]:
It seems like it goes back and forth.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:16:01]:
Right.

Braxton Critcher [00:16:01]:
Like I think right now hybrid, but six months ago, ev, like it goes back and forth about which one is going to be the future.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:16:08]:
You know, yesterday I had dinner with Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson works for Repairify and Aztec, their line of business. Well, Ben is a thoroughly seasoned professional. He's been in the industry for 40 plus years. And not to advertise anything, but they have remote service. Right. So you can log in and you know, you don't need all the OEM readers and diagnostic tools, you can just go to them directly. But he talks about the industry in a ways where he said 10 years ago, he said, well, 10 years ago we thought it was going to be all electric by now.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:16:45]:
But when we really did our research and started looking at our numbers and making, let's say, a prediction based on numerical things, we realized that the infrastructure wasn't going to be there and that it wasn't really going to be possible the way the auto industry works in the United States, for us to be fully electric by then. And therefore hybrid was going to be the way. And he's been right, and he's been right in a lot of the assessments that he has about the industry. So to me that's that, that's the, that's one of the main things. And then of course we have, you know, technician shortage. And another thing that was talked about during the keynote, which is Especially the panel, which is the right to repair. Right, right. We know that that didn't make it through this year.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:17:33]:
Election years are always tough. Got states that, that have, have that legislation going forward. But it's something that, you know, the industry as a whole, and I include myself, we need to, you know, be proactive about that.

Braxton Critcher [00:17:45]:
Yeah, yeah. You know, I think I was just talking. I'm actually gonna have Lisa Fauche on tomorrow for Auto Care association to talk about the repair act and get an update on that, because they had to table it. Of course they're going to bring it back up in January, but they're depending on the election. They're going to have to swing more people to get them on their side. And they had bipartisan. It was split. It seemed like he was going to be approved, but now they're going to have to wait and resurface and it could be a little while.

Braxton Critcher [00:18:14]:
It really felt like in September it was about to get passed. It really felt that way.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:18:18]:
I know, I know. And the thing is, like, the more that everybody gets involved with it, so. And I know it's tough, but, you know, reach out to your local representatives, bring them to your shops. Right. Let them see what you do. Let them see how much of a difference you make in your community for so many people. Right.

Braxton Critcher [00:18:36]:
I don't think people realize just how big of a deal it is.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:18:39]:
Exactly. And let's be honest, like if, for the vast majority of the United States, if you don't have a car, you can't work.

Braxton Critcher [00:18:45]:
Yeah, that's.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:18:46]:
And if you think about it, it's, it's, it's appalling. Right. You know what? Imagine you can't go to work and then you can't figure, you can't make a living.

Braxton Critcher [00:18:54]:
It goes against what this country has been for centuries.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:18:57]:
Yeah, exactly.

Braxton Critcher [00:18:58]:
So free market choice. Absolutely. Yeah.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:19:01]:
Yeah. And then, you know, and of course, you know, let's be honest, you know, shops, independent repair shops, always offer a more personalized service. It's, it's a more. It's a different relationship when you go. Nothing against the dealers, but when you go to a dealer, you're basically a number. Right. You're. Well.

Braxton Critcher [00:19:18]:
And I think it's, it's, it's. It shouldn't ever be. And I don't know if it is. I haven't talked to enough people on both sides, but I don't think it's a. A manufacturer versus independent repair. I don't think it should. It can't be. It can't be.

Braxton Critcher [00:19:33]:
There's too many cars out there. If this. If this didn't get passed and things continued to progress the way they could, dealers could not handle it.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:19:43]:
Yeah, there wouldn't be. You can't.

Braxton Critcher [00:19:44]:
You can't handle the amount of cars you'd have to fix. And they're already booked up.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:19:47]:
Yeah, no, no, I agree with that.

Braxton Critcher [00:19:49]:
They need independent repair, and they know that. Yeah, they know that.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:19:52]:
Which is probably the reason why they haven't made a push to legislate against. They've just, little by little, you know, become a little bit more restrictive with their technology and their IPs and their systems and everything, you know, and that's part of how the industry works. But again, right to repair is super important for everybody. And, you know, we can't emphasize it enough. We just heard. I just heard this morning, the CEOs of Autozone and O'Reilly's and all of them be very adamant on getting involved. Yeah, hopefully that won't. That will come through.

Braxton Critcher [00:20:25]:
Yeah. Sale of World Pack.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:20:31]:
That. That one. You know, to be honest with you, it depends on what side you're at. You want to look at it one way, you want to look at it the other way. I think it's good. I think it's good for the industry in general, and I think there's an evolution that just needs to happen sometimes. Sometimes of that. I mean, that's.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:20:51]:
That's just where I don't have a real stance on that.

Braxton Critcher [00:20:53]:
Yeah, I don't know where I'm at either. Where are you on Stellantis? And it just seems like they keep coming up into the news a lot. There's a lot going on there with Stellantis.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:21:04]:
Man, that's a. That's a. That's just a. I don't. That's a difficult animal in general. It's kind of like, you know, it's kind of like, if you want to ask about. A lot of times, a lot of times, the same thing will come. What do you think about gm, you know? Well, I mean, there.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:21:22]:
It's just hard to have an opinion. If you want to go directly into some specific part, then maybe we can talk a little bit more about it. But it's. It's just there. It's. What can I say?

Braxton Critcher [00:21:35]:
You're like a politician. You're dodging the answer.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:21:37]:
I know, but I'm with you.

Braxton Critcher [00:21:38]:
I don't. I. I can't. I can't give an exact. Hey, here's how I feel about it. It's. It's interesting. It's interesting.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:21:46]:
It's just, it's, it's, you know, it's kind of. If you, if you. Look, I just.

Braxton Critcher [00:21:51]:
Every week I do a news podcast. It seems like I'm doing another story against Atlantis in some sort of negative light. And I'm like, man, yeah, gosh, every week there's something going on and, you.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:22:01]:
Know, and that happened, and that happens with the auto industry and with many manufacturers. They get in this all of a sudden, it's like they go by waves, Right. And it seems like they're at a wave where everything that comes out is negative. Right. Everything's bad. And then hopefully they'll get over it and start. Things will start coming out on the, on the positive side. Right, you know? Yeah, but, you know, it's, it's like, it's, it's circular if you, if you look at it with, with enough perspective and time.

Braxton Critcher [00:22:25]:
Yeah. Well, cool, man. This is, this is really exciting. Glad to have you on, dude. How you liking the job?

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:22:33]:
I love it. Yeah, I love it. I was in publishing in my previous life, also business to business for 10 years in the food processing and packaging sector for Latin America, and I loved it. And I left the job because I just wanted to do something else and left that for a while and then I missed it ever since. And every time I'd get together with old friends and colleagues from the business, I'd be like, I miss the publishing world. So. So I'm loving it.

Braxton Critcher [00:23:02]:
And this is a good fit for you too, because I don't know how many people know about your other podcast, but you're kind of in the automotive space in a way.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:23:08]:
I am in the automotive. So cars have always. Classic cars have always been my hobby. And during the time that I stopped that, I quit the publishing world. I have a podcast called Rover Talk, which talks about classic Land Rovers that I do with. With Dan, a good friend and fellow enthusiast. And at the same time, I have a small business importing classic cars from. Mainly from Spain and mainly Land Rovers, so.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:23:36]:
Which I started doing for fun as well about 10 years ago. So, yeah, so, yeah, I'm in. I'm. I could say I'm in the automotive space now. Now, even now?

Braxton Critcher [00:23:43]:
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. You and me are kind of figuring it out, getting our feet wet together. I've been doing this since March and you've been since August.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:23:51]:
August. I started in August. Yeah.

Braxton Critcher [00:23:53]:
Yeah. So we're. We're gonna figure it out and learn together.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:23:56]:
Cool. Definitely. Definitely.

Braxton Critcher [00:23:57]:
It's cool. I Yvonne Rojas.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:24:01]:
Scott Rioja. Scott Rija. Scott Rioja.

Braxton Critcher [00:24:04]:
Gee whiz. Rioja Scott. Yvonne Rioja. Scott.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:24:08]:
Your listeners that are wine drinkers will know the wine region. Okay. Yeah.

Braxton Critcher [00:24:13]:
Good. Cool man. Thanks.

Ivan Rioja-Scott [00:24:14]:
Thank you.

Braxton Critcher [00:24:19]:
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